Top Post Source: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/ErFfk9DqklI/f1CHfLdUFA8J Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!tor-nn1.netcom.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> From: Glen Duff X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:59:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.154.50.53 X-Complaints-To: ab...@attcanada.ca X-Trace: tor-nn1.netcom.ca 1008417710 142.154.50.53 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 07:01:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 07:01:50 EDT Organization: AT&T Canada IES Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148316 I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, Glen Duff Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Walt Novinger" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: <_RHS7.281477$HA6.52457579@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:02:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.57.88.137 X-Complaints-To: ab...@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1008421370 66.57.88.137 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:02:50 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:02:50 EST Organization: Road Runner - NC Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148323 Glen, Steel your nerves and run your 3x21 belt sander over the back of your least-needed hand (about 60-grit will do). Tell SWMBO that "this never would have happened if I had a drum sander!" On second thought, a trip to Kay's Jewelers or the like for, say, a 1 ct cocktail ring might do the trick, to. Good luck! Walt (picking his Delta sander up this morning-gloat) Novinger Raleigh, NC wnov...@nc.rr.com "Glen Duff" wrote in message news:3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net... > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff > ath: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jim Mc Namara" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.219.195.36 X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1008422583 ST000 64.219.195.36 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:23:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:23:03 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSU[@I_A\S@QRWX[DJHBOFL@YB\@QAPDLXUNNHLHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:23:03 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148327 "Glen Duff" wrote in message: > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! In this order: 1) "Honey - you look younger than the day we married." 2) Notice the changes in her hair, make-up, clothing, etc. Always compliment her (but don't get too mushy with it. 3) Try the direct approach "I really need this sander and I'm gonna buy it!" 4) Apologize for #3. 5) "All the other guys have one!" 6) When she asks you "Do these jeans make my butt look big?" do *NOT* respond with "Hell no - it's your big ass that makes your butt look big!" These helpful hints brought to you by a recently divorced woodworker . . . wonder why? LOL! Good luck with the sander . . . Jim ath: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C1B55DD.5040306@adelphia.net> From: "Peter J. Thomas" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:54:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.49.188.46 X-Complaints-To: ab...@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1008424443 24.49.188.46 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:54:03 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:54:03 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148334 Jim Mc Namara wrote: > "Glen Duff" wrote in message: > >>I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince >>myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for >>introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright >>one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! >> > > In this order: > > 1) "Honey - you look younger than the day we married." > 2) Notice the changes in her hair, make-up, clothing, etc. Always > compliment her (but don't get too mushy with it. > 3) Try the direct approach "I really need this sander and I'm gonna buy > it!" > 4) Apologize for #3. > 5) "All the other guys have one!" > 6) When she asks you "Do these jeans make my butt look big?" do *NOT* > respond with "Hell no - it's your big ass that makes your butt look big!" Wait until one of her more attractive friends makes a change in hair, make-up, clothing, etc., you know which friend. Then pull SWMBO aside and say "I can't see did that. She looks terrible. You have style; maybe you should talk to her." Then use #3. Peter Thomas Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Larry C" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mEIS7-33637-MM5-733412@rwcrnsc53 X-Complaints-To: ab...@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1008424908 mEIS7-33637-MM5-733412@rwcrnsc53 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:01:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:01:48 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:01:48 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148337 For tough situations like this I think you need about a month and a 5 step process. This one should be just about right for you: Step 1 (Setting the Importance of the Project). Plan to build her something really nice for display in the middle of HER house (we all know it's hers, right?). Maybe a clock or something else she can't really hide. Make sure she knows it's your Love for her that inspired the piece and that as long as this piece is on display it will show the world how much your Love for each other means. OK, pretty mushy, but it's important to lay this groundwork so there is no way she can possibly consider not displaying it. Step 2. (Offer Hint of Potential Problems) Spend time searching for just the "right" project. Be sure she realizes you aren't just building the first thing you think of (which you really are). Be sure the project requires some "techniques you haven't tried before". Make it clear you're a little concerned, but you think you can do it. Step 3. (Create Disappointment) Build this very nice clock (or whatever) with really nice tight corners, beautiful wood, everything top-notch. Except.... use your belt sander to really go at all the pieces before you assemble them so the whole thing looks, well pretty amateurish. Make sure it looks like a mouse chewed the boards to size. Be real proud of it, but comment on how it didn't come out quite as good as you wanted. Step 4. (Discover Solution from Experts, Win Credibility, & Admit Error) Mention you think you'll ask the newsgroup about it. Then about a week later (timing is critical in a situation like this) mention you asked this newsgroup of really knowledgeable people what went wrong on this project. The answers all came back of course with something like "What grits did you use in your thickness sander? What, no thickness sander, hell you can't build something like that without a thickness sander! You moron! What in the hell were you thinking." Women love it when we admit our vulnerability. For you to go to her and admit you built this really meaningful object and you bunged it up because of your inability will win lots of points. Step 5: (Spring Trap) Then mention you'd like to redo the object right for her. She'll like the idea of it being redone (remember step 1 where you made it impossible not to display it?). She'll also Love you greatly for the wonderful person you are. You're thoughtful. You can admit your weaknesses. You're willing to work on your weaknesses. If you need further help, be sure to hem and haw about the money and you hate to spend it, but you really, really, really, wanted this to be a special object. If you can't get a thickness sander out of her at that moment in time you better find a new hobby (like ironing, vacuuming, dishes, her nails, etc) because you sure as heck are done buying tools. Good luck! Remember we're all in this together and we're here for you buddy! -- Larry C in Auburn, WA "Glen Duff" wrote in message news:3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net... > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff > Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news3.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "M. T. Hunt .com"> Reply-To: "mthunt@home .com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:13:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.156.68.43 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news3.rdc1.on.home.com 1008425611 24.156.68.43 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:13:31 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:13:31 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148342 Why not the denial approach. "Honey I picked this up for a song" "How much?" "Why, are you paying? It was not much..." Change subject Works for me. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Email: mth...@home.com RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/huntm.htm ------------------------------------------------------------- Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: Nova Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:26:15 -0500 Organization: NOVA Systems - Computer Sales & Service Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3C1B5D87.A22E3FB5@mindspring.com> References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 04.28.24.39 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 15 Dec 2001 14:26:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148345 Hi Glen, A while back while I was waiting in line at the checkout counter at one of our local woodworking stores there was a sign posted above the register. It read "Your wife just called and said you can purchase anything you want." I think we need to come up with an "Official Rec.Woodworking Purchase Permit" for situations like this. --- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA Glen Duff wrote: > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Harvey" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:48:29 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: news...@supernews.com Lines: 4 Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148390 Buy it and give it to her for a gift, I am sure if you are a good husband she will let you use it. Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news4.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David F. Eisan" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:42:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.55.63 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news4.rdc1.on.home.com 1008456141 24.112.55.63 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:42:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:42:21 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148468 Dear Jim, > 6) When she asks you "Do these jeans make my butt look big?" do *NOT* > respond with "Hell no - it's your big ass that makes your butt look big!" Jim, Jim, Jim, that one made me really laugh out loud! Thanks, David. Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him. Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me. Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ. rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/ Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Crowbar FAQ http://www.shavings.net/CrowBarFAQ.HTM Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news4.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David F. Eisan" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:53:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.55.63 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news4.rdc1.on.home.com 1008456792 24.112.55.63 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:53:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:53:12 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148474 Dear Larry, Are you sure you are not a woman? I don't think men are supposed to know that much, none I know do. :). Well done. Thanks, David. Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him. Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me. Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ. rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/ Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Crowbar FAQ http://www.shavings.net/CrowBarFAQ.HTM Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news4.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David F. Eisan" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:06:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.55.63 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news4.rdc1.on.home.com 1008457588 24.112.55.63 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:06:28 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:06:28 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148479 Dear Glen, Being a guy, I would try logic. It never works, but that is what I always try. Go over one of your most recent projects with her, showing her the flaws that the sander would have fixed, they may include, but are certainly not limited to, - grain tearout. A drum sander will allow you to work with difficult woods that are prone to tear out, or even in your garden variety oak that has a grain change in the middle of the board and tears out no matter which way you plane. - inconsistent removal of material because of the nature of hand sanding With a drum sander you are removing a consistent amount of material over the width of the board, allowing you to get things perfectly flat, not that washboard effect you often see. - milling marks you missed You are going to miss a spot now and then, we all do. - Levelling glue ups. Every glue up I have seen by other ww'ers levelled with a belt sander looks like shit, I can tell one at 50 yards. Until I got a drum sander I used to hand plane glue ups flat. With the drum sander you can tackle larger projects that require glued up panels. With 36 grit, you can almost plane. What sander are you looking at? I used to own a Performax 16x32, but I recently upgraded to a Performax Supermax 25 HD, a 5HP, 25" single drum unit. Very nice. Thanks, David. Every neighbourhood has one, in mine, I'm him. Remove the "splinter" from my email address to email me. Newbies, please read this newsgroups FAQ. rec.ww FAQ http://www.robson.org/woodfaq/ Archives http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search Crowbar FAQ http://www.shavings.net/CrowBarFAQ.HTM Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mi.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: jpa...@home.com (John Paquay) Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Reply-To: jpa...@home.com Message-ID: <3c1bdbb5.170105975@news> References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:29:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.4.161.143 X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mi.home.com 1008458977 24.4.161.143 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:29:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 15:29:37 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148481 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:01:48 GMT, "Larry C" wrote: >For tough situations like this I think you need about a month and a 5 step >process. This one should be just about right for you: > Geez, Larry. I'm in awe. You are the man. You forgot step 6, though. That's the one where you show her an ad for a used 30" Timesaver surface sander for which the seller is asking $8000, and explain that this would really have done the job right, but of course the cost is just unreasonable. The when you find an $800 Performax, she may just agree that it's a terrific bargain. John Paquay jpa...@home.com "Building Your Own Kitchen Cabinets" -- ordering info located at: http://www.members.home.net/jpaquay/shop.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ With Glory and Passion No Longer in Fashion The Hero Breaks His Blade. -- Kansas, The Pinnacle, 1975 ------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!207.115.63.138!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jim Mc Namara" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> <3C1B5D87.A22E3FB5@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0rRS7.1636$Ux.295936040@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.65.29.39 X-Complaints-To: ab...@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1008460604 ST000 65.65.29.39 (Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:56:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:56:44 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: TSUGW^KEARTIRWH]HBHF__TA[X_LPO@FKYYDMREK@YWZUYUBK^RAAEW[QDZ\YQ_IT^C_[EVLDV^NOMOBFFTINWDGGFTKX_DHE@[DRVKC^DQPPOD^HKAHIP[CODFMKGJNYDYIZCZLPI_UWEGS@D^W^B_^J[Y^G\KHBYZC@ESAY[FDPVPEGDA^M]@D]VT_QQVL Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 23:56:44 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148489 Although it's snowing where Jack is up in Buffalo right about now, he still had a very warm notion when he wrote in message: > I think we need to come up with an "Official Rec.Woodworking Purchase > Permit" for situations like this. You can go to abpf and print them out, Jack. They should be just fine. ;-) Jim -- Jim Mc Namara www.futurecollectibles.com (New site - new logo - new location!) "That Love Thy Neighbor thing... I meant it". God Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "Typecast" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 18:21:00 -0600 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9vgpcu$6a8$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.1a.5b X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 2001 00:20:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148504 Jim Mc Namara wrote in message news:X8IS7.686$4F5.185841709@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com... > 6) When she asks you "Do these jeans make my butt look big?" do *NOT* > respond with "Hell no - it's your big ass that makes your butt look big!" LMAO!!!!!! here comes the floor!!! BWAHHAHAHAHAHA Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!wn1feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc51.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Larry C" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> <3c1bdbb5.170105975@news> Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Lines: 37 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:13:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.198.212 X-Complaints-To: ab...@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc51 1008472425 192.168.198.212 (Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:13:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:13:45 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148562 Ooh yeah, that's a good one. I actually use that one too. Keep mentioning the tool/brand "everyone" uses (show her magazine ads for it, any references to in a newsgroup even if you have to make the post yourself under an alias, etc) and then "settle" for something much less (i.e. the one you really want). -- Larry C in Auburn, WA "John Paquay" wrote in message news:3c1bdbb5.170105975@news... > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:01:48 GMT, "Larry C" > wrote: > > >For tough situations like this I think you need about a month and a 5 step > >process. This one should be just about right for you: > > > > Geez, Larry. I'm in awe. You are the man. > > You forgot step 6, though. That's the one where you show her an ad for > a used 30" Timesaver surface sander for which the seller is asking > $8000, and explain that this would really have done the job right, but > of course the cost is just unreasonable. The when you find an $800 > Performax, she may just agree that it's a terrific bargain. > > John Paquay > jpa...@home.com > > "Building Your Own Kitchen Cabinets" -- ordering info located at: > http://www.members.home.net/jpaquay/shop.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > With Glory and Passion No Longer in Fashion > The Hero Breaks His Blade. -- Kansas, The Pinnacle, 1975 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: elmwood Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:35:21 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C1C1679.9080105@wavecomputers.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: news...@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148571 I've been reading all the the posts and these are really funny. This is one of the better threads. I'll tell you what I did when I got mine. To begin with I have a cabinet shop and this is how money is brought into the house. I just got into the truck, went to the store and bought it. Never had a problem explaining it. Didn't have to. Glen, I don't know what your budget is but you can get a General dual drum sander for around $1500. Oh, also I have one of those papers that say's I got rid of her 8 years ago. Now I have all the toys I want, but I do remember those days. Worked out a deal with her once that any money I got from something's I was doing I could use it for myself to buy tools or wood. She agreed right up to the point of my first payment receipt. She saw how much money I was making. It was only the first receipt of money that I ever saw and got to use for myself (bought a load of wood if I remember). From then on I received the money, she got the money and bought clothes for herself. I never saw it from then on. Eric Morehouse ELM Woodworks Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsgate.cistron.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!travis From: Travis Anton Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Organization: BoxTop Software, Inc. References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 06:03:28 CST X-Trace: sv3-I8FVnrs7gogvVNMP7aT/uUJ1ZPsq88WEhfUi3PW4hGUZBU6gTUsnP9eMDkT9TJ7SUlhUL/WKRRh9jtv!UEzRPlyYYAkPj+HgM0u43R2tUQRd2nX4Pl14R6Sbk7svohBF+dNgNNw9TO1AqsW6f7lNiXiBM0NB!EnOhlFzIzhwU X-Complaints-To: ab...@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:03:28 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148656 In article , "mthunt@home .com" wrote: > Why not the denial approach. "Honey I picked this up for a song" > > "How much?" > > "Why, are you paying? It was not much..." Change subject > > Works for me. Every time I read one of these SWMBO threads I smile. My life is good. I have no idea what you people are talking about... but I could use a drum sander. That much I understand. -- Travis Anton, BoxTop Software, Inc. - http://www.boxtopsoft.com "BoxTop Software's ProJPEG plug-in consistently produces JPEG files that are routinely 50% smaller than Photoshop" - Mac Art Design Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Greg O" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:51:21 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Complaints-To: news...@supernews.com Lines: 18 Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148746 I find that my wife is easier to convince than myself! Often when I find myself drooling over a tool, trying to reason why I need it, the Mrs. will ask a couple of questions, then say, "Oh! just buy it!" Greg "Glen Duff" wrote in message news:3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net... > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff > Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!rwcrnsc54.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3C1D0C0F.BF1FE9F7@home.com> From: Roy Gordon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-{C-UDP; EBM-SONY1} (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.198.212 X-Complaints-To: ab...@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc54 1008536636 192.168.198.212 (Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:03:56 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:148794 At this time of the year, start a project for one of the toy donation outfits. Explain that you probably won't get finished in time for Xmas without a (insert name of tool). She'll drive you to the store. Roy Glen Duff wrote: > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "FNG" Newsgroups: rec.woodworking Subject: Re: Drum Sander Sticker Shock & SWMBO Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:46:47 -0500 Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. Message-ID: <1008622124.178966@sj-nntpcache-3> References: <3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Cache-Post-Path: sj-nntpcache-3!unk...@dhcp-orlando-203.cisco.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: news...@supernews.com Lines: 79 Xref: archiver1.google.com rec.woodworking:149068 Looks like you've gotten several good suggestions already, but here's my 2 cents. It is very important that you apply a systematic approach to this process. I've developed an approach that is easily understood if you break it into high level steps detailing the objective but maintaining flexibility in the application. The approach that I've developed is easily remembered with the acronym LIAR. Below I've illustrated the plan using a jewelry box but applies equally to other areas. Stage 1 L = Listen. If you listen carefully the SWMBO will mention some need, desire, something that you should leverage in pursuing the objective. I.E. You're getting ready to take SWMBO to an encore performance of the Aboriginal Troupes Ballet Circus Opera, "Honey, have you seen my other diamond heart earring?". This is your cue. At this point you should proceed to look all around the house for the earrings. Make it a point of looking in the usual places such as the freezer, in the cat's litter box, etc. This must become a personal quest from which you will not deviate until accomplished. By the time you give up on the earring it will be too late to attend the opera...YOU MUST ACT DISAPPOINTED. Let SWMBO know that you were really looking forward to the show and that you'll find a better way for her to organize her jewelry so THAT doesn't happen again. Stage 2 I = Initiate. Build SWMBO a jewelry box. This is perhaps the most important step. The box should be constructed so that mere proximity results in MINOR discomfort. Splinters, a finish that never seems to dry, holes through which small items may fall, drawers that won't shut or open, etc. HINT - Avoid using porcupine pelts as a liner for the drawers. While this may be effective, I found that is illegal AND painful to implement. Splintery PT lumber is a good choice as the chemicals tend to cause festering, not to mention the unsightly appearance of the project. IMPORTANT - you must act proud of the object, but you should also act disappointed that it doesn't have that "fine furniture heirloom" appearance that you wanted to present to her. Stage 3 A = Assess. Regularly assess the progress you've made in weakening the opposition. This is best done in an indirect manner. One effective method is to find the tool you're after in the paper. Tell the wife what a great deal it is and how much better you could fix her jewelry box or whatever with it. At this point ANY question from SWMO is an indication of weakening. This is a critical juncture. A mixture of remorse over the outcome of previous projects, dislike of spending money on tools, desire to produce fine furniture, any combination of emotions that will make her believe you don't WANT the tool but MUST HAVE it to EVER create anything again. Have a good excuse ready for the nice things you built prior to this. You may have to repeat 1-3 a few times before proceeding to 4. Stage 4 R = Requisition. Now you're ready to buy...almost! The final issue is price. Traditionally there are 2 approaches to getting the pricing set. SHWL (Start High Work Low) and SLWH (Start Low Work High). With the former you've despaired over the ridiculously high cost of the tool in mind. "$45,000 for a planer!!?? I need one but not at that price." Once you've been through that a few times you just happen to find a brand new model that cost only a fraction of the others but does so much more, etc. Using the later you suffer a series of disappointments trying to find the bargain. Used tools that are sold just hours before you get there, new tools that fall apart when you test them. Often you will need to employ a hybrid approach to get the tool you're after. I successfully used this method to get a set of screwdrivers a few months ago. "Glen Duff" wrote in message news:3C1B3B29.FE91780B@attcanada.net... > I want a good quality thickness sander so much I can almost convince > myself I actually need one! I'd like to hear any good techniques for > introducting the subject to SWMBO. Please help, she's a really bright > one and knows my tricks better than I do myself! > > Desperate and Thickness Sander Deprived, > > Glen Duff >